different. but ultimately it is sad what happened. it's a sign of a need for an improvement in the way our system works. it's not a commendation. >> i think rudy giuliani might say, and he has said and more that he was talking about a one-sided we debate. i wonder if his argument is that the police officers should also -- we should also be concerned about police officers who are being shot and also who had to deal with a lot of -- what did he say -- >> we can commend and defend policing. there is certainly another side to this amy, for sure. at this point he knows when he names those names, when he goes into that case he's digging up a lot of emotional pain in a town quite frankly, an area and even a country that is really hurting. >> and i think that he's going too far in suggesting the police officer should be commended for what i think we all think was a tragic situation, whatever side you come down on no one's life