proposition that torture is what the al qaeda terrorists did to 3,000 americans on 9/11 and there is no comparison to what that is and what we did to the suspected terrorists, and it is not. >> some of these tactics did what is above and beyond what was approved. >> and this one, to abu zubaydah, and laid in a coffin-sized box and 29 hour, and then depth of 2.5 feet, and a height of 2.5 feet, and on page 22, is that going to meet the definition of torture? >> that is one of the approved techniques. in terms of torture, i guess what i do, and i was struck for example by the statements by bud daye and leo forcnis and