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that tactics matter. he's arguably one of the finest tact itions at the top of government for many years. if cheney believes that his position cannot be challenged, as long as he digs in and doesn't flinch, he'll do that. that's where cheney is sitting at this point. many people are turning on him at this point. john mccain and others are saying, cheney's wrong. but cheney at this point will be the last man standing with this position if that's what it takes. that's what he's thinking about. history's record, i didn't flinch. >> and i think ron is absolutely right about that. that's the one thing about the man, he's consistent from the very beginning to this moment. and now one has to unpack that. >> i don't know about love, but in his view, all's fair in war. ron, thank you for being the expert. michael steele, thank you very much. up next, a "hardball" farewell to michele bachmann. we're going to the riddic lift, this is "hardball," the place

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