don't get into this we are trying to shove democracy down somebody's throat. >> we did take out hussein, right? >> right. >> america, not the iraqi people. >> right. therefore, what? >> therefore we then tried to impose democracy in that country. >> we did not impose democracy. get away from that. it's not true. the facts are in the other direction on that subject. anyway, it's not the point right now. we are where we are. >> we are where we are thanks to you. joing us now from mother jones magazine is gene cornan. this is the guy. he dressed well. i like him with the boots and nice suit. he disbanded the iraqi government so nothing was left for a third of the country except any group that would overthrow the government. >> he created a vacuum. he's responsible, if you will bring in one guy who's responsible for a lot of the mess that happened in iraq you
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