>> well 18 months, a teacher essentially has permanent employment where they're not even being evaluated anymore that the stage. the last in, first owl, senioritity rules in california the most egregious example of how that plays out, the teacher of the year was laid off. and much more were kept on. and dismissal protection. and we have similar laws here in new york, make it so hard and so expensive to remove a grossly ineffective teacher. and in some cases, an abusive teacher, that we have people still on the payroll here in new york. they did the same thing in california who have been found guilty of inappropriate sexual behavior. >> you know, willie, a lot of this, it's about the v.a. it's impossible to fire somebody at the v.a. april lotch tea a lot of teachers -- a lot of parents have gotten angry. so it doesn't make it as competitive as others so it looks like things might be changing. >> we talk about modernizing the

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