educational opportunities for veterans, for a caregiver program which is just revolutionary in what it is trying to do, they have a good record, they are serious people. i enjoy working with them. >> is what the administration announced in recent days the right quick fix, which is that if there is more than a two-week waiting period that vets can then go into the other part of the system to regular other hospitals until they can get in to the va and i take your point that all the veterans i speak to as well -- you have far more experience than i -- they like the care they're getting from the veterans, from the va, from the system. the problem is the backlog or the biggest problem is the backlog. >> well, andrea, i think what the president is suggesting is a reasonable idea. except the problem is more complicated than it looks even there. all over this country, we have a major crisis in, say, primary health care. we do not have enough primary health care physicians.