idea alone. you need to fuse it with something that sort of draws like the intensity of a voting base out to vote for you. and that means you need to support simultaneously policies that animate that segment of the population. which is why, i think in paul ryan's budget, paul ryan is not a racist person, but it's no coincidence his budget doesn't propose to cut defense spending or medicare or social security. it proposes to cut food stamps, medicaid, subsidies cliven bundy was talking about make black people so much -- >> subsidies that bears mentioning cliven bundy benefited from himself. >> exactly. and so, what baffles me, and i want to come back to this because i think it suggests that conservatives and republicans have sort of bought into their own line of thinking about this, that really this is all just about sort of like libertarian high mindedness of small government.
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