on both sides of the argument in your state? >> sure, so the climate energy project is a very small nonprofit based here in kansas. we don't have a huge budget. we have a small amount of staff. we're fortunate to have our relationship that we've built in the last several years with a broad group of people in the agriculture and economic development. and chambers, and renewable energy advocates. really all focused around one goal, which is moving clean energy policy forward in kansas. and so although we were out-manned financially to the tune of probably ten to one, we were able to have manpower and lots and lots of volunteers reaching out to their legislators. >> when the koch brothers operate nationally, i think that people on the other side of fights from them are getting