explicitly white supremacists organizations. the question becomes does opposition to gay equality fall on that side or not. i think you can embrace it and say yes that is where it's going. >> it's starting to. i think the interesting thing about your comment about the 6,000 people, i would question who are those people? because i think part of this is about -- >> they're in the database. >> i don't mean literally. are they people who have a large platform, a lot of influence, people who run major corporations for whom tiaking that kind of stand sends a message to all the people who work at that company and are consumers and buy that product. that's the thing -- >> but at the end of the day it feels mozilla made a business decision. they know who their audience is. they know that a large portion of their audience are progressives who did not like this, were not going to use firefox and they said we can't -- so that is the -- >> but then the other side of this is that while all this conversation is happening, while this police chief is fired in south carolina, she says because