and reverend samuel cruz. he's at the union theo logic seminary. lara, i want to start with you. the notion of the president of the united states and the pope talking about peace in the world when, in fact, the history of both the catholic church and of the united states has, let's say, peaceful is not necessarily the term one might most likely use to define and describe them. can these institutes be moved towards the good? >> that's a critical question. what i see in these two men are two men with common cause and common constraints. they're steering very big ships in a very new direction. they both came in on a wave of optimism, euphoria. that also sets up very high expectations. the pope is in his moment of glow. i hesitate to use halo effect. so tasteless. he's really a superstar on the global stage and he has people's hearts and minds and in a moment where global conflict is so
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