and phone calls and letters from people who said we were going to come to arizona, go to the grand canyon, but, nope, we don't think we'll do that anymore. >> it's an interesting point you raise because this is a tourism story. it is a business story. it's an economic story. it starts out, though, first and foremost, i think, as an equality story and whether this kind of discrimination should be authorized and written into the law. it's scary to people we're still having these debates now. congresswoman, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, ari. >> appreciate it. joining us, syndicated columnist dave savage. author of "american savage: insights, slights, and fights on faith, sex, love and politics." and louise melling for the aclu. dan savage, you don't need a big long question. tell us what's on your mind tonight. >> i think it's important to know the law doesn't actually single out gays and lesbians alone for discrimination. it is so broadly worded that anyone in arizona can discriminate against anyone else in the provision of goods or services or anything else for basically any reason, so long as they claim that they're