legislation that tears apart families and damages communities. tony perkins' organization has been supportive. heritage action has been supportive, because from a compassionate conservative side, it's hard to make a case you should keep the laws in place when they're so hard on members of our society that are most disadvantaged. >> i interviewed tim lynch and he said the sentences are far too harsh. this is something where libertarians can agree with progressives. how do you go and take that sentiment there from cado, a libertarian leader, and look at what's happening in congress and go beyond a couple progressives and libertarians and get more of a real political alliance. >> the alliance is fascinating. it's not just bipartisan. it's transidealogical. mike lee and dirk durbin have been talking for a few months about it, putting together legislation. cornyn has legislation that mirrors texas' reforms and rand paul and senator leahy, hard to
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