meddling, very fishy business there, but not all the facts have been adjudicated. wherever we go with it, there seems to be a larger problem for chris christie, which is the idea that he's a tough leader who just says what needs to be said, was kicking around for a couple years. what i'm hearing more now from a lot of people, including some republicans is, he's not tough. he's a bully. >> well, i guess i've got to start here with the disclosure i'm going to give on -- give 100 more times in the next few weeks. that is one of the people who are at the heart of this bridge scheme in new jersey, before he was working for chris christie, ran a website in new jersey and new jersey politics. it is where i started to get my first job, david while stein, grateful for that, and just want to make sure i acknowledge that and disclose that. in terms of what this says about chris christie and his sort of image as a bully, i think chris christie -- it's sort of a roar shock test. you're going to see what you want to see. some people see this as his attitude, the bravado he shows in public. some see and read that as this is this courageous leader, this
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