he needs a course to steer. it's almost as though obama borrowed the ship from congress. he let them write the bill. and it wasn't -- he got the votes, however is procedural. there's something to that. and is his -- this is the fundamental political question about president obama that historians will debate forever which is what is his heart in? >> i think the substance the important. liberal programs that have been successful and popular in the u.s. and have a certain pattern, medicare, social security, student aid they tax people to give benefits to other people and the people get the benefits like them and sometimes it's the right thing to do and sometimes it's like us they think they are too generous or counter productive. but very rarely is a program intrusive or coercive. the way to do medicare, the way to do this train addition of medicare is raise taxes on people and help poor people purchase health insurance.

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