>> no, the most powerful people in that court are going to be the wall street lawyers. >> well, i mean, we've got to fight it, and we've got to make our voices heard in the city of detroit and around this country. that's why we're organizing our retirees. we're organizing our communities. folks who believe that if you play by the rules every single day, then you deserve a decent retirement that cannot be attacked. it cannot be reduced. we have to continue to mobilize our communities. i mean, we're going to be in court. we'll do anything we possibly can to protect the rights of our retirees. those folks who have provided essential services to the citizens of detroit. >> lee saunders, i want you to stick around, because if you watch conservative media, if you read the right wing, it's the public sector unions bankrupting america, and detroit is just the beginning, you're to blame for all of america's problems. i want to talk about that right after this break. [ tires screech ]