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too conservative. if you're a strong candidate and you make your case, you can win. >> in the end -- >> christie will need to make a national case. it's not enough to say i was a good governor of new jersey or i have been. even if he has been. clinton, the governors who have made it nationally, reagan, clinton, george w. bush too, have articulated national agendas and interesting national agendas that were sort of fresh. clinton's moderate democratic agenda. bush to some degree with a compassionate conservative agenda. i will give my free advice to christie and palin. they would be well advised to be skeptical of this advice. he should be the guy that says we need an aggressive reform conservatism. we need to govern the country and change in it in a conservative, practical direction. here's a conservative health care reform agenda and financial agenda and tax reform agenda. really lay out a national age a agenda. which ever republican candidate does that, chris christie, scott

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