as mad as they are about government. he does it in a specific sense. he goes after things that need to be fixed. >> so pandering isn't going to sell? shirks not a panderer. >> for the first time in american history, pandering won't win? >> especially in a republican primary. >> i think americans are sick of platitudes. and his -- his gift is his outspokenness and his passion and his bluntness. but there is a difference between when he is mad about an issue or fired up when he is attacking a person or a question or a reporter or a voter. in the public tiff with rand paul a week ago, there was a sense that he was getting angrier and angrier. it's unpresidential behavior to seem like you're out of control. >> do you think he seems like he is out of control? >> when you're attacking a person like another senator or a voter who is in the room -- >> didn't we see john mccain get nominated, almost nominated another time, and he is known for his temper? how did that happen? bill clinton has an amazing temper. >> john mccain isn't president today. i'm not saying that he couldn't win the primaries. i think it will be challenging. but i think that what works in
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