baseball was in cahoots on the drugs. no, did they turn a blind eye? no doubt about it. they did it ph to be collectively bargained with the players association. at that time, gene orza and damaged fear. they did not want to have a drug testing in major league baseball till it became so rampant. there's no po doubt about it, you look at the effect that peds and steroids had on the impact on professional baseball, it has been wide blown. at one point in time, the majority of the players were doing them. >> i want to go back to bob and get another view. when my brother and i used to argue baseball, he was a yankees fan. i was a cleveland fan. i'll take any team against the yankees as a kid. but he always said, you know, in sports in basketball, you got to be a tall guy. these are years later, even taller. in football you got to be huge and strong. baseball was always a sport where an average size guy could make it. with all the drugs and performance enhancement drugs and all that stuff, hasn't that