holder play to that in the hearings recently, right? he basically made clear he felt victimed by isa and thought they were disrespectful to him and he used that very effectively. i think a legitimate point holder is making off the record meeting to explain why they are doing what they are doing but the concerns some of the press corps -- this is an investigation into whether there was an overreach or this is a complaint about whether there was an overreach into what the press does so that is why there is some line being drawn. >> howard, is there an overreach with the justice department? >> i think the press is thin-skinned and good at dirk it out and lousy at taking it. what you're seeing -- >> we hear that a lot. >> oh, my god! we are above reproach and trying to do only the right thing. they are getting a dose of medicine they dish out to politicians every day. i'm with ron and maggie. the role of the press is