moment. but it didn't get read as chechen or russian or certainly not as caucasian. it gets read as islamic, as muslim. >> i think the fascinating thing about this is that when we saw that riveting moment where the uncle came out and gave that first talk about what he thought of his nephew's behavior. he said they brought shame upon chechens, he didn't say muslim, he said chechens. most of us don't know where chechnya is. >> exactly. >> the ambassador coming out and saying no, it's not czechoslovakia. the fascinating thing is having spent some time no russia, people of chechen dissent are not considered white there. many of the epithets that are used to describe chechens are used to describe africans. they move here and they're placed in a different context in terms of race and identities.
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