in france, you see smiling couples in white gowns and tuxedos emerging joyously from catholic churches all the time. everyone knows they were legally married before they entered that church that morning to get married once again, because in france, a religious marriage ceremony can only be performed after, never before, after a marriage performed by a french civil authority. that's what real separation of church and state looks like. the bishops have lost their grip on this issue in ireland and they have here in the united states. >> what do you say as a minister, as a pastor, to a gay couple that comes to you and says we love god, we love the church, but we also love each other and we want to raise a family in faith. what do you say to them. >> first thing i say to them is i love you, too, and god loves you and you were made in god's
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