i'd like to see some more, some possible orders. the other thing is that he didn't tell us if this was patent-protected in any way whatsoever. so if he was successful -- >> patent pending. >> patent pending. if he was successful, can somebody knock this off in a different way. the main concern i have, though, is the valuation of the company. i think it's not worth that valuation. >> you need some numbers to -- >> more numbers. >> how about you, luke. >> i've got to laugh, you've got a strain on a panel. never a shoveled snow on a driveway. i get the product, it looks great. i don't understand shoveling snow in a driveway. i'm going to concentrate on the pitch. i think at least half the pitch because you're looking for an investor has to be on the advantages that are in it for them. i think there's a couple of big things there. one is, what's the brand value that they're going to get a premium for, because i think as norm alluded to, it could be seen as a commodity product if other people could come in and

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