the banks and make some really smashing reforms. but we've been there, and it didn't happen. and if jeff sessions is complaining about it, then it just seems like they're making this stuff up because they've got nothing else to do. they're bored. >> so the million-dollar payout doesn't -- that's not going to be -- you don't think -- >> well, the issue, i think donny was right, the issue is should anybody have been getting these payouts back then? the question of now whether this guy who got a payout among the 5 billion people we're dealing with who got payouts -- >> yeah. >> -- for something. >> you could never hire someone from the private sector. you could never hire a wall street person for that job. >> he makes a really important point. you cannot have a treasury secretary without business experience or financial experience. and all of these people attain to. >> exactly. >> tim geithner who apparently jeff sessions thinks is a great guy, he was at the fed while this stuff was going down. he was part of the clinton administration that deregulated wall street that allowed the