where it takes authorities half an hour to come and show up someplace, so, of course, you have got to defend yourself. >> they come and put the chalk around the body. in all fairness, when it sounds like i'm a big anti-hunter guy, i like to trap shoot and all that. here is the thing, i had my kid with a daisy rifle because i thought it would be one thing to do, shoot at milk bottles. i'm not against guns, but the important, weird thing about this, chris, you first, the men out there -- my uncle bill, these people are members of gun clubs. my brother bruce, they pack their own bullet, they would never commit a crime and they would never hurt anybody, but their ideological conviction on this, this slippery slope idea protects some of the bad people out there and allows the nutty people to get guns. >> and that's the problem. i have an uncle who is in a fish and gaming club in connecticut close to newtown. he does it because it's social -- >> and they're harmless people. >> he likes to go out, have a few beers, and talk to his buddies. >> it's like bowling.