roughly maybe 350,000 workers. the united automobile workers, everybody can own a car in america. the history of unionism has been inextricably linked to the growth of the middle class, as you know, over the last 60 years of american history. the right-to-work legislation that has passed now in 24 states, i don't think you can dem demonstrably prove that it leads to higher wages, that it leads to marginally -- >> but what's wrong with giving people the freedom to work where they want to work? >> there's nothing wrong with it. >> if i want to work in a shop and not pay a union i disagree with, shouldn't that be my right? >> it is your right, joe. >> no, it's not my right if it's not a right-to-work state. >> i understand that. i understand that. if it's not a right-to-work state. but the problem is that the unions, having felt threatened over the last 20 or 25 years, have taken a stand against right-to-work legislation because why? they lose union dues. they have used the union dues
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