>> why is it complicated? >> in the way that we don't have time for, but if you've worked inside new york politics especially on the democratic side, this is a complicated event, to put it mildly. >> i bet it's a nightmare. >> the cardinal archbishop is, in effect, chairing a political event. and pretty -- all of the statewide democratic-elected officials in my adulthood have been in favor of roe versus wade as written. that would be the governors cuomo, all of the senators over the years. so whenever there's an intersection there -- >> it's complicated. >> -- it gets complicated. the best part of it is the joke telling. >> you're bringing in the first amendment and abortion. i just like the punch lines. >> the comedy writing is very good. >> that's all you've got. you sister on that. >> the white tie. >> it does look pretty good in white. >> the first time i watched it in 1980. it was really nice. carter and reagan were after each other. it was actually pretty jarring.