i think that a lot of the discourse in politics and in debates can be about process, about who's got a plan or why you've done a certain thing. often one candidate will try to accuse another. the think the winner is the one who sticks to, what do the american people care about? how to specific the economy and don't get bogged down in the process. it's easy to flip. >> do you think it's a problem -- you talk about being optimistic. these guys are used to throwing red meat out, getting nurtured. the rules are -- there is no noise, no reaction. so you throw out what you think is the line of the sencentury. do you think that's going to -- >> if somebody is optimistic, it's going to play in the hall fun. but it will play better on tv. ronald reagan and bill clinton. say your opponent's record is bad and still be optimistic about america and i think both