dedicated to solving the problem. you don't pick paul ryan if you're not serious about elevating the conversation of this campaign to be about the issues, the looming crisis facing this nation and if you're not willing to put forward serious proposals. >> when can we see a balanced budget? i think even under paul's plan, it doesn't balance until 2014. >> i was listening earlier in terms of what specific cuts. the first one is let's repeal obamacare. i want somebody to answer my question. in 2014 to deliver -- we've had plans that bounce into five years, ten years -- >> so it can be done? >> absolutely it can be done. >> one of the constraints in paul ryan's budget is he uses the cbo baseline, using growth