issue is education. you know, so if you have money and you don't know how to cook/shop, then it really makes it difficult to make good decisions based around hunger. that's why i think these cooking matters classes that i help teach that share strength help started, the s.n.a.p. program funds these programs is so important because it really gives these people the knowledge of food and cooking, and it's something that -- it's a life skill that in our culture has been taken away, and it's a shame. >> and your program is funded by s.n.a.p. and would be cut under the house bill if i'm not mistaken. >> yes, yes. i personally feel i have this tremendous great gift of cooking, the most urging persistent question i ask myself every day is how do i take this gift to help other people. it would be a real shame to have that gift taken away from me by taking away these funds. >> how grossly unproductive. here's a program on so many levels that's doing good.