for faking his suicide. and it gets even more crazy from there because apparently he was conned at the height of all of this. thanks for being on the show. "octopus". >> that's it. >> what's your draw? >> to sam? >> yeah. >> i worked on wall street when i moved to new york and saw like how the ocean of possibility for fraud, they were counting on me as a junior lawyer to do the kind of deli against and research and if they were counting on me they were in a lot of trouble. i was just a kid. >> that's frightening, actually, isn't it? >> tip of the iceberg. >> yeah. >> what? >> yeah. it's the kids and the low-paid workers, the regulators, that are supposed to keep the gate and they don't do it. >> tell us about this guy and how he did what he did, because if this is one of the most unbelievable frauds how many more are out there. >> that's just it. sam is the child of a rom nent trading family, the israel and aarons family. he grew up in wealth and privilege with alan greenspan