accounts. i think, i think, mika, more to the point, there may be a few years back there, where mitt romney, the guy worth $300 million, $400 million, paid nothing in taxes. i think that's what they're really afraid of. >> that's painful. >> for the long run. >> donny? >> i would love to ask everybody around the table a human gut question, forget republican, democrat, conservative, liberal, as a human being, as humans we vote for another human being, when you hear all this stuff, at the end of the day, do you really feel this guy is an absolute straight shooter? and you just don't in your gut. you just -- >> ask michael steele that question. >> michael, just as a human, forget republican -- >> i know the rest of the table -- >> like i know a lot of rich guys, not a lot of rich guys, you feel something here. i think the american voters feel this. >> okay. bill clinton. >> michael, what do you think? >> no, i think there's a real element there that, again, rubs at people and it was part of the