>> phil, in all honesty, you can't tell me if we had a republican in office, on the one-year anniversary of the killing of bin laden, everybody wouldn't be trumpeting that as a major achievement. >> with a heaping spoonful of sarcasm there. >> in terms of foreign policy, i think more than the specific issues, what foreign policy does for obama -- this was a problem he had in 2008, it establishes him as fundamentally presidential. if you look what happened in terms of the bifurcation of the obama campaign, the west wing has been totally scooped out, the political folks scooped out and shipped to chicago. the folks representing in the west wing are people more conversant with foreign policy. jay carney was chosen as white house press secretary because of his foreign policy chops. this is the image they want to project. >> it's true. the tale of two cities, a