can never tell how much all of this was intentional on either side it seems like the narrative got woven almost independently. i think the democrats have been deft at throwing a lasso around it. >> i think they blundered into it. >> and then realized something. >> the other thing did you read the memos that came out as a result of the lawsuit in maine, n.o.m., the national organization for marriage. there are secret strategy memos were revealed. even though this is marriage, no it will abortion. one of the secret items on the memo was side-swiping obama and said we need to pick issues. >> we're so used to these cultural wars putting democrats on the defensive and get into a defensive crouch. we've seen the opposite. i feel the republicans are crying uncle. it say that essentially oh, this is -- >> that's not crying uncle.