that conversation? and how was that decision swayed? >> really, what was there other than his word that would make them have a doubt in and it was detailed by the police as though there was some sort of rich layer of evidence. but it really was only his word as far as we can tell. >> and zimmerman's first lawyer was asked about any medical records. do you have anything to show us? any documentation of treating these injuries? and he just wouldn't answer the question. and if you had a hospital record from the next day or from any time period even close to this, you'd say, yeah, we have this. >> and the truth is that a person who righteously uses deadly force on somebody, they don't have to misrepresent. they don't have to embellish. the tell the story the way it is. they tell it straight up. it's when you catch people in embellishments that red flags go up. >> charles, there's so many -- i mean, i tried to get the basic things that we're looking at. it seems to me that the only thing the lawyer can be heat about is just this little section of a police report that says, oh, bloody nose and cut on the back of the head. >> right. and even then, you have to look at the severity of those