louis cardinals. it's also the debut of the marlins new $515 million ballpark. >> my goodness. >> complete with the retractible roof, a nightclub, and that giant structure in center field that apparently does something with a home run is hit. >> really? >> it's my home state, but, man, florida and baseball, it's never been an easy mix, willie. never been an easy mix. >> that's a lot of taxpayer money for a stadium that's not going to have very many people in it. >> well, it's going to have 15. >> stop it, joe. that's not true. >> listen, you look at the history of miami and st. pete. and they have put some great ball teams on the field. and overachieved. and the fans just don't follow. listen, i've got to tell you -- >> that's not nice. you never know. >> if i'm sitting by my swimming pool in april and i'm in florida and i have my kids jumping in the pool, i mean, it's not like i'm in milwaukee. i may stay by the pool.

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