quit distorting our words. if i see it, it's bull [ bleep ]. >> hogan that, kind of language, not something we're used to hearing from rick santorum. is the stress of the campaign starting to wear on him? >> oh, no, look, could there have been a better word? quite possibly. but the fact of the matter is, he had answered the question many times. and the reporter was pushing him a little bit and that's fine. that's part of this whole campaign and that's how it works. but the bottom line is rick was being very adamant about the fact. he's said it all over the country. if we're going to take on barack obama on the issue of health care, then you have to have a candidate who is credible on the issue of health care. mitt romney isn't that candidate. and, look, jeff and i are friends. i know jeff. he's a very good reporter. but at some point in time as a conservative, you don't take on "the new york times," you're really no conservative as all.