had been number two, now he's struggling at the back of the pack. >> and the real purpose was not to stop romney. romney's going to be there. it was to hurt newt, perry's already gone, he could come out of here and go to the conservative movement. unite behind me or it's nominee romney. >> another thing, dr. richard lam, the baptist leader, i interviewed him on friday and he said we're all on the phone, looking for the non-romney, we're going to have a meeting in texas next week. and they were prepared to come together around santorum and go to newt and say you've got to get out. and now that's much less -- >> newt has $5 million new dollars. and shelly adleson paying for newt with $5 million. as long as the candidates have money and microphones, you're going to need, you know, one of those lion hypodermic needles to