but i never heard anything like that that ever happened. >> you see, you're doing a television show prompted by a book which was written which apparently is one parent's story which doesn't jibe with the other parent's story at all. >> which is exactly why we're here. that kind of an anecdote. now -- >> as far as i know, that never happened. that -- that sounds like the shows that people go on and talk about children mistreating animals and can you predict who's going to do something terrible somewhere down the line in his life. jeff's condition was proven to not have anything to do with his upbringing. i don't want parents frightened to death, thinking that the little things they do or the little things they miss are going to result in them having a