as far as they possibly can. >> it will be -- anyway -- it will be interest to see how that plays out. i want to move to the other big story today. anyway, republican presidential contender, rick perry, you may have heard this, stepped in it last night in the debate in michigan. and in case you missed it, we'll take you there now. >> it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone. commerce, education, and the, um, what's the third one there? let's see. >> you've got five. >> oh, five, okay? commerce, education, and the, um, um -- >> epa! >> epa, there you go. no, again -- >> let's talk deficit cuts. >> seriously? is epa the one you were talking about? >> no, sir. no, sir. we were talking about the agencies of government. the epa needs to be rebuilt, no doubt about that. >> but you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government. i would do away with the

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