i mean, how much of those factors do you think helped lead to the end of his show. >> well, there was a lot of it going on. you played that clip where he called obama a racist. that began this massive ad boycott. fox refused to take responsibility, beck refused to take responsibility and that opened the door to, i think, the most successful ad fwoi cot ever. 300, 400 advertisers told fox no way, we're not going near him. ratdings down pretty dramatically. it didn't make sense to keep him. >> but one of the things that got me, beck always claimed to be a history buff. i want to play you a clip of what he said to me when i was on his show. >> i was thinking about this today with you. you were at martin luther king's elbow. >> no, i was after king. i worked after jackson. >> you didn't -- >> no. i'm only 55. i was 13 when king was killed.