care of each other. this isn't about a hand out. it's basically about a hand forward. >> and you basically provide the capital and environment and the community decides whether they're going to fund it and appropriate it or not? >> yes. we provide the cafe, the operating skill and people, but ultimately it can only work if enough are willing to sustain it. >> i love this story if for no other story a triumph of human nature and that is the most wonderful part of it. congratulations to you, ron, for continuing to try to push the way we relate and the way we relate to business and nonprofit business as well. >> right. most people are fundamentally good. >> thank you, exactly. cord, i'm sure you're fundamentally good, you wouldn't you weren't. >> could be a great cover. anyway, we'll take a break. coming up on "hardball," bachmann in, chris matthews taking a look. that's after this.