it's what he said, so if it's not what he did and not what he said, he's not left with a whole lot. >> seriously, we really don't have to go down the personal road. and you can. i'm not trying to tell you what to say. but there's so much on the table with this guy. >> the go pac. obviously what he did there and, of course, tried to word smith everybody into den grading their opponent and talking about their demise. he introduced modern day negativity into politics. no question about it. now he's trying to talk back to his own party and he's having a hard time. senator chuck schumer today said, of course democrats are going to use gingrich's words against other republicans. gingrich was saying what everyone knows to be true. the plan is extreme. do you think that gingrich thinks the plan is extreme but he's just --