path. >> but what to think we're not going to be right back where we were this week when the next bigger fight over bigger numbers comes to pass? >> i'm not saying we're not going to be. i think there will be some kind of negotiations, and yes, it probably will go up to some sort of deadline. the debt ceiling deadline is a moving deadline, not a date certain deadline like the government shutdown. our strategy is not to default, it's to get spending under control. >> let's talk about -- i mean, this is the political environment that you're operating in as you produce the path to prosperity, your budget vision for next year. >> right. >> it was very interesting, a republican adviser to president bush and to john mccain, mark mckinnen, was quoted in "time" magazine saying the following about your budget outline. i want to put it on the screen. "it will completely transform the fiscal debate. it will either be the brilliant blaze that illuminates republican courage or roaring fire that immolate the party in a spectacular political suicide." how's that for choices? we've heard this before. >> i've heard this before. it didn't really matter to me.
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