what this reminds me of is '88. they were called the serve dwarves. it wasn't fair. it caught on. i think what you see are decent enough candidates with tim pawlenty in the world due caucus. they have a problem. i think mitch daniels if he runs could be an interesting candidate. i'm not sure he's running. >> i think what will be interesting is to see whether serious republicans bypass the race in '12 thinking toward '16 number one and number two, whether or not the republicans shift to stepping back to say let's nominate the person who would have the best general election chances against president obama. it's going to be fascinating. what's interesting is it's taken a long time for people to sort of get to the starting gate and say i'm going to run.