and all those that end up being moderates when they get in there. let's look at what rich lowery said in "the national review." editor, he wants bush to run for the following reasons. field wide open. 2016 would be too late for jeb if he waits another four years. waiting doesn't seem to work for people. he also says he'll still be a bush in '26 and still have that on his shoulders, and that's a any difficult. deroy said no. what do you say, sam? >> deroy is bringing the one-liners tonight action and i hate to disagree with him on jeb. aids report a couple months ago, shocking to me democrats are fearful of jeb more than anything else. they think his more tolerant stance on immigration is something that can appeal to the hispanic population and a wider swath of moderate voters. the problem is jeb can't get by the republican primary in part because of his last name, and in part the immigration issue. that's the main problem. you're not talking about a wider electorate a primary electorate. >> do you know what i think he's going on?