things would be, but if he is done with the small business bill, that is not that impressive. i would like to hear him talk more about the -- his version of the tax extension, the bush tax cuts which would get -- not deal with some of the higher-end tax cuts. the small business bill, not that impressive. >> mr. lipman, if you could. ible to us the flawed logic of looking at small businesses as an engine of growth for jobs. >> okay. so the kaufman foundation for the last several years has sponsored and undertake on its own research to look at the source of net job creation and what we have found, since 1980, virtually 100% of all net new jobs created in the united states have been founded by new businesses. and so, that's slice of small businesses that we really need to focus on. so you're quite correct when you make this distinction between small business and new business. it is really those businesses under five years and actually
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