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and that oil sinks. and itç goes out there and the we were always wondering how many years or months certainly would it be coming back to haunt us over its own time span. we wouldn't get all the damage right away. it would come in depending on storm conditions and currents. how do you know it's not out there in bulk just as bad as we thought it was perhaps 4 million barrels of it still out there? >> well, we don't know. there's a lot we don't know. that's certainly true. it's kind of nice to hear the kind of alarmists finally admitting we don't know how bad this is going to be. in spills in the past, there have been some long-term impacts. the "exxon valdez," the fisheries haven't entirely recovered. birds have had reproductive problems. certainly not the environmental catastrophe we've been talking about. and this is lighter oil, it's a much warmer gulf. and the mississippi river water kept a lot of that oil away from the shore. we heard that this was going to be a catastrophe for the

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