rather 7 million illegals employed. those are jobs, working class americans, white, hispanic and black, get as soon as the unemployment -- as soon as the illegals are sent back. >> let's ask you about ronald reagan. let's go to joan on this question. the question is whether reaganism is the standard by which current policy in the republican party is being set. that's the question. ronald reagan did on occasion raise taxes to justify the fiscal realities. >> right. >> he did try to do something with amnesty with regard to -- it didn't work out. it wasn't enforced properly. he did -- >> but he didn't use the kind of rhetoric that -- >> go ahead, joan. >> he didn't use the kind of rhetoric that has become common about immigration either. i'm not saying ronald reagan wasn't a conservative. not saying that i agreed with him. the point that pat made that, oh, we should be so happy that he cut taxes on the wealthiest americans, we are still living with the problems of that. but he did, once he became president, he did take an approach to compromise and