you look at the things that putin said in that interview yesterday, and when you look at some of the things that joe biden has said and one of the things that a career policies knows is, there is that -- it's almost like driving a clutch car, right. because putin in a sense is our enemy. right. when you look at freedom. it's almost laughable when you look at -- putin is a complete dictator. howie: i've got to move on. vice president kamala harris in central america this week, potential illegal migrants do not come. a lot of attention to this exchange with lester hold. >> do you have any plans to visit the border. >> we've been to the border. we've been to the border. >> you haven't been to the border. >> and i haven't been to europe. and -- i mean, i don't understand the point that you're making. howie: ben, why did that obviously stumbling answer to lester holt attract so much heed media attention. reporters have been asking about the visit to the border.
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