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where the implication was that he could decide fairly because he was born of mexican hispanic descent, that's a racist thing to say. if you string those things together, i think that's why you have 51% of americans saying they think he is racist. the problem here is this is what our political debates have devolved into. it's counterpoint, counter attack, counter attack. i don't mean to sound like a pollyanna and say come by all, should we all just get along. >> harris: i sound like that, too. >> steve: at the same time you want to have some positive outcome come out of this. i think it's highly unlikely. >> harris: if we really want to see parts of america grow in those urban development zones at all of that, you're sending a secretary end, i think we can at least look at the fact that there is some tough, stubborn, immutable things, category and statistically, helping in baltimore. it could be a cauldron at times. it's not the entire city.

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